>are violated by the God of the Bible - if he defines the absolutes of morality these are not absolutes...
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God defines moral law for the creation He called into existence; God is the ultimate judge and arbiter; God defines the length of the created beings days; God has every right to carry out His judgements; God defines mercy and grace, offers a way to eternal life that involved Him taking the full penalty for OUR sin.
Absolutely none of this counters my arguments in the defining post of this thread.
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by Shining One ini had to wade through a lot of muck to find anyone with any reasonable arguments in my last post.
most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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by Shining One ini had to wade through a lot of muck to find anyone with any reasonable arguments in my last post.
most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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Hi Dan,
>And can you provide me the complete list, so I can at least see what all it is that I must believe is absolutely true in order to avoid damnation?
Sure I can. What is really great about it is the fact that if you are genuinely searching you will see the point right away. Romans 3:10, 23; Romans 6:23; John 3:3, 5, 16; Eph. 2:8-10; 1 Cor. 5:15; Romans 10:9-11, 13. The gospel message is so simple that people who are searching can find it and those who will not believe will call it 'foolish'. Next, if you want to see why people do not choose life, read John 3: 18-20.
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by Shining One ini had to wade through a lot of muck to find anyone with any reasonable arguments in my last post.
most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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Hey Dan,
What Hellrider is talking about happens all the time. Libs are true despots: they allow no dissent within their camp. Libs favor socialism first, then into communism and finally to the Gulag for anyone that they find dissent from the part line.
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by Shining One ini had to wade through a lot of muck to find anyone with any reasonable arguments in my last post.
most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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Hi Daniel,
Oh such foul language, Dan-o. Are we getting frustrated that everyone doesn't 'knuckle under and run away'? Get over it boy> If you had enough brain power to actually make an intelligent comment you just might do so. Only infantile miscreants attract attention by crudeness.
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Here are the Liberal's hypocritical heroes
by Shining One ini wonder if the limey liberals are as hypocritical as our home=grown american ones?
these guys change positions more than the watchtower writing staff!
the hypocrisy of democrats .
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I wonder if the Limey Liberals are as hypocritical as our home=grown American ones? These guys change positions more than the Watchtower writing staff!
The Hypocrisy of Democrats
Speaking yesterday before a union rally in Worcester, Massachusetts, Senator Edward Kennedy announced: “My vote against this misbegotten [Iraq War] is the best vote I have cast in the United States Senate since I was elected in 1962.” What Kennedy forgot to mention is that his vote against the Iraq War further proves that his belief structure adjusts to wind speeds, and Massachusetts can get mighty windy.
Speaking at the Johns Hopkins School Of Advanced International Studies only weeks before Kennedy cast his “nay” vote on the Iraq War, the senator remarked, “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” (9/27/02)
Nine days later on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Kennedy added: “Saddam Hussein is a dangerous figure. He’s got dangerous weapons.” (10/6/02)
By 2005, Kennedy was singing an altogether different tune:
“Instead of providing open and honest answers . . . the president reverted to the same manipulation of facts to justify a war we never should have fought.”
Of course, Kennedy is not the first (liberal) democrat to change his opinion when the polls began to indicate that the war was unpopular. In fact, between 1998 and 2003, the Iraq WMD song was quite the hit. For music lovers everywhere, I have assembled a compilation of democrats who proudly sang along.
Senator John Kerry–Blues
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” Oct. 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real...” Jan. 2003
President Bill Clinton–Jazz Fest
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” Feb. 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Feb. 1998
Al Gore–Monotone, I Mean Baritone
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Sept. 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Sept. 2002
Backup Singers
“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.” Madeline Albright, Feb. 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 1998
“[We] urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 1998
“Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov 1999
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct. 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Quaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 2002
And here I thought President Bush was behind the faulty intelligence. Impressive how he was able to manipulate his predecessor's intelligence as well while he was governing Texas.
This compilation was brought to you by Dr Politico Records, Inc., and special guest producer Glenn Beck. A source for each quote can be found here.
Getting back to Senator Kennedy, it’s worth mentioning that in the sea of inconsistencies that mark his public service, his vote against the Iraq War was a welcomed change. After all, in 1991, he voted against the Persian Gulf War as well. I guess liberating Kuwait from Saddam’s tyrannous grip did not meet his criteria for a “yea” vote. I wonder where that one falls on his list of favorite votes.
Kennedy’s Inconsistencies
On Abortion:
Until the passage of Roe v Wade, Kennedy held a pro-life position. In a letter dated August 3, 1971, Kennedy wrote to a colleague that the legalization of “abortion on demand” goes against “the value which our civilization places on human life.” Yet, with the flip of a switch, Kennedy has become one of the staunchest supporters of abortion rights.
In 1999, Kennedy voted “nay” on a bill that would ban “partial birth abortions,” the practice of which is both vile and gruesome.
Some of the ex-JW libs here need to eat a nice crow sandwich!
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most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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Hi Hellrider,
Do you see how the intellectual conversations quickly degenerate to the lowest common denominator? It doesn't really matter though. We can continue to seek common ground via I.M. I have to let the chaos continue for awhile because those who are being reached sometimes need prodding before they will seek answers in a private arena. Thanks for the serious and insightful comments. I respect your sincere attempt at finding common ground. I'd really don't mind the foul comments and gladly be thought a fool for Christ. May God bless you and those who are seeking....
As far as Nark's comments on Abraham, he apparently misses the fact that Abraham's attempted sacrifice of his son shows a type of the events of Calvary and the ram in the bushes shows that God provides the sacrifice for mankind's redemption. Whenever you look into the O.T. accounts look for Jesus and the acts of redemption. Even the sacrificial system is a type that pointed toward the advent of the savior. There are some good books on the subject once you get away from the wacko, leftist fringe authors that the unbelievers favor.
See if you can figure out the types from the Great Flood account: the Ark as a type of Christ; salvation for a remnant through the Ark.
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most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
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MKR,
You are just another clanging symbol seeking to add to the noise.....
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most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
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On the Jgnat Merry-go-round, no end is in sight as she spins in the same circles until all of the people riding are bored enough to quit.....
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by Shining One ini had to wade through a lot of muck to find anyone with any reasonable arguments in my last post.
most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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>A good debater SHOULD be able to convincingly argue BOTH sides of the fence.
This is an example of your problem: you see this as some kind of intellectual jousting match. That is not the point at all (who wins the argument)! Hasn't the gospel message become a heartfelt belief with you? Those of us who have come out of a cult like this have been indoctinated into a natural rejection of Real Christianity. The cult has served it's purpose very well. It doesn't matter that people leave it behind if they still leave Christ behind. The goal of the evil one is still accomplished whether they are in, out or undecided.
You are not in any way doing these people any good by giving them more reasons to doubt what little faith that they possess. Even if it hurts, people need to hear the gospel for the very salvation of their souls. Some will not accept the gospel but some will. People can't 'sit on the fence' when it comes to belief in the savior of the world. He doesn't allow it. His message is that He is God incarnate and you have a choice to believe or not. Christians are all called to a ministry of reconcilliation. There is no 'grey area' when it comes to the essentials and you should know that. There are no 'second chances' once this life is over.
The stakes are too high to 'play at debating games', eternal lives are in the balance. I love these people: they are not my enemies; you are not my enemy. My enemies are not made of flesh and blood nor is my struggle with flesh and blood.
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by Shining One ini had to wade through a lot of muck to find anyone with any reasonable arguments in my last post.
most were just the usual personal attacks from the fringe and their flock of followers.
instead of dealing with them, i have decided to post one response to those who made some valid points.
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Hi Gumby,
>irritating as hell to about 99.9% of the posters here
When did you take the poll and who ruined my perfect record? That statement tells me that I am right on course.
Rex